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Cheerimac AND Fluttermac fans, I'm talking to you. I've been browsing yesterday...

If you've come here only to argue about my personal opinions, turn back now. I won't tolerate people attacking my opinions, because they won't change no matter what you say.

Can I just point out something here?
No pairing is factually better than another. People's opinions will differ, but that doesn't change the pairing itself.
Just because it's canon doesn't mean it's the best.
Just because it's fanon doesn't mean it's better than the rest.

Here's an example: My watchers know where I stand in the DP fandom. They know I'm a proud DxOC supporter and anti DxS. I'm a target because I don't follow canon, but I still draw my preferred pairings anyway. I've watched and endured shipping wars over the years, watching people scream over canon, fanon, and OC pairings. In the end, the fighting goes nowhere. People still draw what they want to draw.

To those who fight, what are you guys trying to prove? What outcome comes from fighting over which character is better with who?

I'll tell you the answer right now: Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

You win a shipping war, you feel triumphant. You have self fulfillment for a while, and then over time you grow out of it. Move onto different things.
You lose a shipping war, it stings. Your pride is hurt and you're getting laughed at by your rivals. But after a while you realize it doesn't matter. You move onto different things.

Why is all this digital bloodshed worth over nonexistent characters, only to feel temporary triumph or loss?

I've been a proud Fluttermac fan since early last year. Why do I ship it? Big Macintosh is a gentle giant. He's strong, helpful and hardworking, but also sweet, sensitive, and patient. He tends to be a voice of reason whenever he actually gets some airtime. Fluttershy, even if she is shy and scared most of the time, she has a mature mind. With Big Mac's help, I can see her emerging from her shell. He could help her to become more brave and outspoken, not in the way Iron Will did. And since he has experience with farm animals, he could help her take care of the various woodland creatures she looks after. Because of these reasons, it just makes sense to me.

I remember reading the description for Hearts and Hooves Day, feeling slightly upset about Bic Macintosh and Cheerilee being forced together. But then there's the keyword: forced. Their "love" was a product of the Cutie Mark Crusaders messing with a love potion, so after watching the episode, it didn't worry me too much. Big Mac and Cheerilee were returned back to normal, and I even found it funny when they decided to tease the CMC at the end. Then there was no sign of the two interacting in any of the following episodes.

So why don't I ship Cheerimac? I honestly see no chemistry between the two. The only interaction they had was the acting out of character under the influence of the love potion. Because of this, it pretty much just turned me off from this pairing altogether. I can support these two being friends, joking around and such like they did with the CMC, but as lovers?

but then there's shipping wars?

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't seen any Fluttermac fans go on a rampage, but that doesn't mean I'm unbiased. I've heard about the fighting by word of mouth...or text? There's no need for attacking and fighting. You guys shouldn't attack Cheerimac fans because it was forced canon for one episode.

Basing of what I have seen, I've browsed the Fluttermac clubs on here. What do they say about Cheerimac? "I don't like it/It doesn't make sense to me/I don't care about that episode, I still ship Fluttermac" and the like. Then I browse a Cheerimac group, the very first comment I see is someone raging about how bad Fluttermac is.

Okay, what the fuck people. Maybe some a fan pissed you off, but do any of you realize how rude you sound when you insult a pairing and the fans behind it? A friend of mine supports Cheerimac/dislikes Fluttermac, and she's constantly saying it. Every comment it's "Better than Fluttermac!" or "Fluttermac is the WORST pairing".

Stop. Just stop. Stop the nonsense. Stop bad mouthing one another. Neither pairing is better than the other. Stop trying to shove your personal opinion to everyone else. Every fan should. Their opinions won't change, so why are you being so harsh? It's just rude, not to mention I'm pretty sure stuff like that sparks shipping wars.

You don't have to like other pairings, but at least respect that other people have different opinions. If people ask, give an explanation. Don't insult or shit talk about one another. Don't like, it,don't look at it. Why is it so hard for fans to co-exist peacefully?

Fluttermac and Cheerimac, keep calm and ship on. Just ship. Only ship. Don't start wars, don't throw insults around. Love and tolerance people, love and tolerance.
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nejcrozi Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2017  Hobbyist
BlueM0usE Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't blame you for not being a fan of DannyXSam. To be honest, I feel like Danny and Sam were forced to be together just because: 1) Sam is an outcast individual
2) Sam is his best friend
3) Sam is the only female that has a close relationship with him

If I ship Danny with any of the Canon characters from the show, it would have to be Valerie, because I see more chemistry between them. But do I go and bash those for liking DannyXSam? 'Course not! It's all just fictional anyways. There's no need to get butthurt over people shipping what they like, whether it's canonXOc, CanonXCanon, or FanonXCanon or whatever. It's utterly ridiculous.
Cianna200 Featured By Owner May 31, 2015
I prefer Cheerimac not just because of the potion scene, but because they went on a picnic, Cheerilee fainted at Big Mac in a seemingly love sick way, they were seen holding hands on EGs,
so they must have something going on, maybe they have crushes on each other. I can see Big Mac falling for a pony who is a hard worker like him, Cheerilee is a hard worker (being a teacher)
They are probably around the same age.

I don't ship Fluttermac because shy plus shy will not work, Fluttershy seems more as the one who prefers friendship especially with animals, her and Big Mac will probably not carry on much of a conversation, in my opinion, Cheerilee is lover material for Big Mac and Fluttershy only casual friend. I also love the idea of Applebloom's reaction to her teacher becoming her sister in law one day. One thing I disagree on is bashing others over these pairings, the Fluttermac fans seem to be worse. :(
Crimson-Kaizer Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I do not like Cherrimac, but it has nothing to do with the ship itself.

I just really hate love potions being used as a plot point....and love potions period.

They are creepy and evil.
ASpiritForgotten Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I dislike both shippings. 
Mostly because I'm a strong Fluttercord shipper, and, once again, Big Mac and Cheerliee were forced together. 

If I had to choose, I'd personally go with TwiMac. 
I despise Flashlight, and it makes a bit of sense, so I'll go with it.
MarioSonicPeace Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2014
Clapping Pony Icon - Fluttershy I totally agree with this
Toxicpineapples Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I personally love Cheerimac. Also, if you look closely at some episodes, there is evedince of Cherilee and Big Mac interacting as background ponies. (In Filli Vanilli, during a performance for a band, Cheerilee looked at Big mac and "Fainted" and also asked him and his band to perform for the school.)
angelinadraws Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sepperlover Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2014
I like both ships
Shadman92 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014  Student General Artist
Finally, someone else gets it.
BlankedApplebloom Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fluttermac is a ship i LIKE but i dont SHIP. i like it because it seems like it could fit into the show's canon,
Now cheerimac is another ship that could fit into the shows canon. I like it. but i dont ship it. So im neutral on this matter
Crazii-Drawing Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
I'm alright with these pairings, but I'm more of a MaudMac, Thundershy, Cheeribrulee kind of shipper. :)
DarkVikingMistress Featured By Owner May 10, 2014  Student Writer
Fluttercord fan here so I'm pretty much neutral on the matter. I think it's generally a silly thing to hate ships because they don't align with your own. For example I'm very for Appledash but I don't get mad at all over people shipping Applejack with Rarity which is another popular Applejack shipping Shrug 
Kurosantchi Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I prefer Cheerimac but Fluttermac is ok ouo
Doodlepops33506 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm a fan of Fluttermac and not cheerimac but I'm fine with people who like the other ship. The ship (Cheerimac) doesn't make sense in the human world because Cheerlie is a teacher and MAC is a student. This is my opinion :3
pussrik Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Am I the only one who ships Fluttermac AND Cheerimac? XD

But these rapid Fluttermac shippers need to stop hating on Cheerilee. She did absolutely nothing wrong ;o 
Troublemute Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2014  Student Writer
I'm more of a CheeriMac fan, but I ship both :XD:
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013
Well I'm sure you're one of the few out there XD

And as such, Cheerimac fans should stop picking on Fluttermac fans because their pairing "isn't canon"
pussrik Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah. I hate it when people bash Fluttermac because of that. A large majority of the pairings in the show aren't canon as well and you don't see me complaining....
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2013
I think the reason why is because it was an "established" canon. And when that happens, people get high and mighty.
Fun-dragoness Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2013
Wonder what gave them the FlutterMac idea... hmm... anyone can believe what they want.
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2013
you never really know with non canon pairings. :shrug:
LouisaPonyArtist Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I really hate Fluttermac.
RockyleRick Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2013  Student
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2013
Okay, and?
tifzhe299 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like Fluttermac but don't like Cheerimac at all, but what's to fight about? It just a pointless opinion.
Ok-we-get Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013
T-mack56 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2013  Student Filmographer
Oh Dear God/Celestia It's Tailsmo VS Tailream all over again.
MedusaArt Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2013  Student General Artist
I don't like either of the ships. :no: And I don't like the war between them.
gonzo22 Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
I want to give you a medal for saying this
AnimaDrawsArt Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree that its rediculous that people fight over shippings, I actually don't care who those ponies get paired up with I support all shippings, even homosexuals
AaronMon97 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013
This ship war is the reason why Fluttershy now is hated by some bronies and Hasbro treated her like shit, you know, because of making her out of character in Magic Duel and Hasbro and the Hub ruined Fluttershy's Christmas cheer by nominating her and made her win the "Nastiest Hissy Fit" award of the Naughty or Nice awards on The Hub, which was after the downfall of her kindness by that episode "Putting Your Hoof Down" which whoever wrote that episode saw the drama 2 weeks before that episode (Putting Your Hoof Down).

If the writers could make an H&H Episode with a different character than Big Mac to be paired with Cheerilee on this day, Fluttershy would still be loved and this ship war wouldn't happen.
Indolent-Doodle Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
TBH I never saw the point in fighting between the two. But then again I hate FlutterMac and am neutral to CheeriMac so I guess I just don't really care. :iconfluttershyshrugplz:
OddFox17 Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Student Writer
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
IcyEcho Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
shokujupiterearth Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Student Filmographer
Amen sister!!!!!

I totally agree with you on this! I'm a FlutterMac shipper myself and I don't mind the CheeriMac ship at all. I drew a drawing based on an idea my little sister gave me and we just did it for laughs. Sooooooo many people took it seriously! One of the things that I DESPISE about the fandom!
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
:iconfluttershyyayplz::iconsaysplz: yay

I agree, some people do take things too seriously, no matter how lightearted things are.
shokujupiterearth Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Student Filmographer
Eeyup -.- why can't we all be friends?! D:
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
I know, stubborn people!
OblivionAlbawk Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
There was a sign of Cheerilee and big macintosh interacting in another episode. The animators specifically had them walking together to hint at it. But that's okay.I don't think this is a big war anyway. There are so few cherrimac to fluttermac. If anything the fluttermac shippers should calm down and leave the small margin alone to be canon. XD
DivineSpiritual Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed (: I wouldn't mind Fluttermac so much, I just think the shippers for it need to chill. I know there are Cheerliemac shippers who can be just as bad. But honestly, I have come across some really bad Fluttermac shippers.
Rosethethief Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Funny you should say that no pairing is factually better than the others, cause just recently, I came across a rapid Fluttermac shipper on youtube. Saying how Hasbro shouldn't have paired Big Macintosh with "Trollilee"... (Not shitting you. She really did say this). And how Fluttershy and Big Mac were meant to be and how they were "special."

Now keep this in mind, I don't ship either of these pairings. I've always been a Fluttercord shipper myself. And when I said that I did ship Fluttercord and not Fluttermac, she replied acting as if Fluttermac WAS factually better over any other pairing.

And that's not even the half of it! About a year ago, when the Hearts And Hooves Day episode shitstorm was still happening, I came across a fan fiction a brony wrote of Fluttershy hiring Flippy from HTF to KILL Cheerilee! Which lead me to create THIS stamp; [link]

If it's one thing I hate about rapid Fluttermac shippers, it's them bashing Cheerilee just because of being with Big Mac in that episode! She's already an under appreciated character to begin with, and this flamewar certainly isn't helping things...

But, that doesn't mean I'm saying that some of the Fluttermac shippers are at fault here. Because some of the Cheerimac shippers have started to act extremely childish as well...
JaxxyLupei Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013
See, that's other people's opinions. When in reality, a ship's a ship. Fanon or canon, people will always see the positives in negatives in them.

And maybe there's another side to all this madness as well? I personally think the entire episode was pointless in of itself, since we FINALLY get an episode focused on Big Mac, but it's only to make him at out of character to shove a potential love interest in his face? And the same with Cheerilee. If Hasbro wanted to make an episode focused on the two, how about not have the CMC force a love potion on them, it's a little ridiculous.

Maybe that's what some fans are angry about too. Wanting to see background characters shine instead you get...Hearts and Hooves Day. :\

I'm only guessing here, but that's what I feel. Both sides are in the wrong, yes, and it could be another problem along with them thinking "MY PAIRNIG'S BETTER THAN YOURS". Hasbro kind of started it...
oOChocolateOo Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Gosh, I came across that Fluttermac shipper too. >.>
TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
or ironshy
TMNTFAN85 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
fluttermac?? no. fluttercord.
TheDragonWarlock Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2013
I'm sorry, but I've grown to hate the FlutterMac fanbase because of how hateful they are towards other shippings involving the two of them. It's ridiculous to create so much hate art just for the sake of FlutterMac, a pairing I'm not a fan of even before the Hearts and Hooves Day episode, and shows that most of them are hostile. I've seen a comic where Fluttershy kills Twilight because she was about to kiss Big Macintosh. A few comics where Fluttershy either beats up or verbally assaults Cheerilee for being with Big Macintosh. It's so damn ridiculous and shows how hateful many of the FlutterMac fans are.

Now not all of them are guilty of being that way. I know a few who do ship FlutterMac, but don't act this way and instead are more tolerant towards any of the other ships between those two. Some have even said to me that they hate what many of the FlutterMac fans have become and don't like what happened. But for the most part, it seems the FlutterMac fans are hostile and very intolerant towards other shippings between Fluttershy and Big Macintosh. The fanbase just needs to calm down and stop being so hostile, it's making the fans who are tolerant towards other Fluttershy or Big Macintosh pairings look really bad.
Rosethethief Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wait... There's actually a comic out there of Flutters murdering Twilight because it interferes with their silly fanon shipping? Seriously, what the hell?

All I've seen was comics of Fluttershy calling Cheerilee a bitch, ones of her stealing Big Mac away, one of her beating the crap out of Cheerilee for stealing a kiss from Big Mac...

And, oh. I found a fan fiction a brony wrote of Fluttershy hiring Flippy from HTF to murder Cheerilee. I'm dead serious about that last one.

This whole situation has just really gotten out of hand...
TheDragonWarlock Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2013
Yes, it's THIS abomination. [link]

I've seen those as well.

Tell me it's NOT on FiMFiction.

Oh yes and it's why I've grown to hate FlutterMac. Well it's one of the reasons.
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